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krucinál fagot
Od: Kojak.
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 18:06
Nerozumiem prečo všetkým tak jebe s nejakými nanometrami. Vcelkú nepodstatné a čím nižšie nano metre, tým horšie.
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: dando111
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 18:18
presne naopak. mensie nm = vyssi vykon = vyssie frekvencie = mensia spotreba
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ultraradikalny konsenzualizmus
Od: syntaxterrorXXX,. X
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 18:49
Presne tak. A úplme najvýkonnejšie sú diódy s priekazne špičkovými 0nm.
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Re: ultraradikalny konsenzualizmus
Od: priakzene prikazene
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Pridané:
13.10.2022 19:48
ano spotreba z 50w na 170w
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Kojak.
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 19:01
No blbosť. ide do riti spoľahlivosť, poruchovosť, citlivosť napr. na statiku, žiarenie, rušenie. Našo sa siliž. Zas také zníženie spotreby to nie je a ani výkon neja nestúpa.
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Hroch_asdf
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 19:15
2um su super a je to viac!
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Pete XYZ
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 15:43
Rusenie, citlivost na "statiku"
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Nie je to celkom pravda. Chipy maju I/O pads chranene tzv. clamping diodami a tie riesia citlivost na staticku elektrinu (aspon by mali). I/O pads tie riesia (do urcitej mieri) prepatia, a svoje vystupy (smerom do vnutra chipu) neprepinaju pri malom sume ale az ked voltage level dosiahne potrebne napatie - to slepsuje odolnost voci sumu. Nehovoriac o tom, ze vacsina I/O dnes uz nie je "napojena" na logiku priamo, ale cez transceivery (komplexne moduly v chipoch presuvajuce data pri GHz freqvenciach von) co este viac zlepsuje odolnost voci sumu (su tam finty ako clock recovery, channel equalization, atd).
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Keno
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 16:20
Však iste...
O čo ide v tých dvoch posledne spomenutých "metódach"?
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Pete XYZ
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 18:00
Chcel som len napisat, ze vsetky rychle seriove rozhrania (PCIe, USB, SATA, HDMI, ...) pouzivaju transceivery. Dnes najlepsie dokazu preniet az 112 Gbps na jeden differencialny par pinov pri PAM4 modulacii. Tu su nejake videa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZsTBEUkFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUOtgZTVEmU
Pri prenose dat z chipu do chipu sa nemusia hodiny prenasat extra vodicmi, ale moze sa nanovo rekonstruovat zo signalu. To robi CDR cast transceiveru (clock data recovery). Hodiny sa potom pouziju na samplovanie prichadzajucich dat.
Equalization je rozne filtrovanie na vstupe a zamerne skreslovanie signalu na vystupe. Transceiver skresli signal na vystupe preto, lebo vodice/kanal na PCB to potom skreslia opacnym smerom a teda na vstup druheho chipu pride malo skresleny signal. Transceivery tiez poslu pokusne bity pomocou ktorych nastavia equalizaciu tak, aby bolo skreslenie co najmensie.
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Miroslav Jakubovič
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 1:46
Zaujímavé...
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Pete XYZ
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 15:43
spolahlivost / ziarenie:
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Transistory, ked su mensie mozu byt nachylnejsie na poskodenie kvoli teplotam, ziareniu (to plati hlavne pre lietadla a satelity, na zemi je SEU dost zriedkavy). Designeri sa ich snazia stale trochu predimenzovat aby k tomu nedochadzalo. Nikto predsa nechce riskovat to co sa stalo Intelu ked musel kvoli chybe v chipsete stahovat tisicky PCs z trhu.
Navyse v poslednej dobe sa zacina viac a viac pamati (internych v CPU aj externych) chranit pomocou ECC (SECDED pripadne lepsi). ECC dokaze par bitov chyb opravit za behu.
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Re: krucinál fagot
Od: Pete XYZ
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 15:43
Vykon/spotreba
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Ked sa zmensi nm, tak sa na plochu chipu zmesti viac tranzistorov a teda viac "kuria". Videl som porovanie, ze na 1mm2 je hustota energie v teple taka vysoka ako na podobnej ploche v raketovom motori. Preto sa dnes da timing uzavriet na 7-10 GHz, ale chipy bezia zamerne pomalsie lebo by to nikto neuchladil.
Spotreba je komplikovana zalezitost, treba pozriet krivky pre nm vs staticka alebo dynamicka spotreba vs freq vs voltage. Dnes sa hovori o "dark silicon" principe, cize cast chipu sa preberie, vypocita rychlo vysledok, a okamzite sa znova odpoji napajanie (len aby sa teplota zvysila co najmenej - takto sa znizuje tiez spotreba).
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ta asi hej ne
Od: výmrdník
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 21:06
Výkon 7600X ako 5900X. Spotreba 7600X je na all core 5.4 Ghz ako 5600X all core 4.7 GHz, výkon o 24% vyšší. 7900X je o 30% výkonnejší ako 5900X, podobne aj 7950X je o viac než 30% výkonnejší ako 5950X. Dosť dobrý medzigeneračný posun výkonu.
Horšie sú teploty a spotreba, ale to sme čakali.
Ceny sú asi o 10% vyššie ako pri uvedení rady 5000.
Cena 7600X od 350 eur v e-shopoch.
Na nete sú dostupné na predobjednanie aj Raptor Lake CPU od Intelu (rada 13000).
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Maticna doska
Od: NBU majster
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Pridané:
30.9.2022 21:46
Maticne dosky stoja na Slovensku od 290e. RAM s 6000 MHz takmer 2x tolko ako rovnako velka RAM DDR4. Procesory su tiez drahsie nez stala starsia generacia. Za prechod na novsiu generaciu zaplatim o 400e viac. A dostanem kolko? 25 percent vykonu navyse? 7600 a 7700 sa absolutne neoplatia.
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: V. Klaus
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 1:18
Lenb pablb čo nevie čo so sebou by to kupoval, lebo to nemá vôbec žiaden zmysel či dôvod kupovať.
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: 5maniak
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 8:59
Jeb na to maniak
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ultraradikalny konsenzualizmus
Od: syntaxterrorXXX,. X
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 10:37
Presne tak. idiotom, čo nevedia využiť ani 25 percent vykonu navyse by to priekazne ani nemali predávať.
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pitomci
Od: V. Klaus
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 10:54
Akého výkonu? Na doma je to na 2 veci a serverový to nebude.
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ultraradikalny ohladuplnizmus
Od: syntaxterrorXXX,. X
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 11:10
V takom prípade by ešte do úvahy mohla prichádzať možnosť, že to čiastočne priekazne závisí i od parametrov obydlia.
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Re: pitomci
Od: Hroch_asdf
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 16:08
Z hladiska usport spotreby ele. energie je lepsie dokoncit narocnu ulohu skor.
Dalej dekoder na video.
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Re: pitomci
Od: V. Klaus
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 19:04
Je mi úplne u prdele, či to dekóduje 100 alebo 115 minút!
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Re: pitomci
Od: kurvaeget
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Pridané:
2.10.2022 9:58
Hát, tak si kúp dvojjadrové Pentium, teda po novom už len Intel Processor a budeš spokojný. Tvoje zmýšľanie poukazuje na fakt, že energia ti je u prdele.
Ale vážne ... keby sme uvažovali ako ty, tak sa nikam nepohneme. Pozri si grafy trebárs z Passmarku, kde boli procesory pred 10imi rokmi a kde sú dnes. Nie je jedno, či jeden procesor vyrieši úlohu za 5 minút pri spotrebe 100W alebo druhý za 50 sekúnd pri spotrebe 120W. Teraz si predstav datacentrá a serverovne, kde by boli výkonovo a energeticky pri tvojom zmýšľaní ... A tebe by sa tvoje obľúbené péčko načítavalo dlhšie.
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Re: pitomci
Od: Kendo
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Pridané:
2.10.2022 10:09
Nikto tu predsa nepísal o zlomkoch sekúnd versus minúty. Ale ak už to má trvať dlho, tak je tých pár percent úplne u prdele. lebo pánko by si mal zrátať, koľko čoho stojí nová technológia. Niekde to predsa dosiahne bod, že sa to neoplatí a naháňa sa to len odrbmi a vysokými cenami pri predajoch a čo ja viem akými praktikami. Mne nie je jedno či mi bude stará i7-950 ešte roky fungovať, alebo drbnúť minimálne 1000 Eur do nejakej šašovskej technológie. Pozri si mobily a hneď Ti musí byť jasné, že nič nešetria, práve naopak.
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Re: pitomci
Od: kurvaeget!
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 11:08
Tvoju starú i7-950 by som už zakázal. Dnes máš možnosť si zlepšiť efektivitu aj o 300% cez bazár za pár šupov. Ten rozdiel vo výkone by si cítil už prechodom na Sandy Bridge či Ivy Bridge. Taký Ryzen 5 3600 (65W) s polovičnou spotrebou oproti i7-950 (130W) je v bazároch za 80-100 €, k tomu bazárová doska a bazárové RAM-ky dokopy cca. 150 €. Za cca. 250 € by sa ti výkon dvihol "len" 5.6-krát a to pri polovičnej maximálnej spotrebe.
Prevádzkovať hocijaký novší Windows ako Win7 na i7-950 musí byť nočná mora. Viem, o čom hovorím, lebo som zažil Windows 10 na i7čke generácie Sandy Bridge a bolo to trápenie.
Si obyčajný ekologický anal- a oralfabet.
Zavolám Gréte, nech s tebou spraví poriadok! Papľuha!
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Re: pitomci
Od: Kingmax
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 13:52
Zasmiali sa zbrojnoši... Ale však s tým nekúri. A na bežné práce CPU isto nežerie svoje maximum, že?
Nebude niekto značkové origoš opatrované veci vymieňať od nejakého chuja za bazárové kšunty!
A ad acta, zabudni už na drbliny menom W10/W11.
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Re: pitomci
Od: Keno
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 14:49
Povedzme, že čas zapnutia PC bude mať ten istý. Napríklad jeho priemerná PC spotreba je 600 Wh za deň. Povedzme 4-5 hodín denne cca 100-150W. Nech pošukaná x zostava bude papať len 100W ateda som dal 450 Wh, lebo proste menej nebude - lebo ani netušíš čo v tej i7-950 má. Tak za 1 rok cca 365 x 0,6 x cena za 1 kWh cca = 65 Eur jeho old PC / 49 Eur jeho iný PC. O čom sa bavíme?? Priem. cena elektriny cca 30 centov. A nič nemusí robiť, prerábať, vymýšlať...
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Re: pitomci
Od reg.: MackoPu1
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 17:33
To uz je cena elektriny pre firmu po novom roku?
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Re: pitomci
Od: Miroslav Jakubovič
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 1:46
Bavia sa o domácnostiach...
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Re: pitomci
Od: kurvaeget
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 10:35
Nezohľadňuješ vôbec výkon procesora. Pri bežnej kancelárskej robote a browsovaní netu bude rozdiel plus-mínus taký, ako si písal. Ak by ale robil doma 4-5 hodín rendering či enkódoval alebo sa hral, tak je to sakra rozdiel:
i7-950 ... 4 hodiny renderingu denne ... 0,52 kWh ... 190 kWh ročne ... 57 € pri cene 0,30 € za 1 kWh
R5 3600 ... 4 hodiny renderingu denne ... 0,26 kWh ... 95 kWh ročín ... 29 € pri cene 0,30 € za 1 kWh
Teraz vezmime do úvahy výkon procesorov:
i7-950 nech je 100% multi core
R5 3600 nech je 560% multi core
Rovnakú renderovaciu úlohu vykoná R5 3600 za 43 minút v orovnaní s i7-950, ktorému to trvá 240 minút. R5 3600 ju vykoná za 5,6x kratší čas (5,6x rýchlejšie) a spotrebuje pri tom 0,047 kWh energie, čo je 11x menej energie, ako na rovnakú úlohu spotrebuje i7-950. Pri rovnakej úlohe (alebo podobnej náročnosti) každý deň by bola spotreba i7-950 ročne 190 kWh (57 €) a R5 3600 ročne 17,1 kWh (5,15 €).
O toto mi celý čas šlo.
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Re: pitomci
Od: Kabela
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 12:45
Ale takto nikto doma nepracuje, že? Alebo už len sotva zlomok. A kedže ani dotyčný s funkčnou a celkom vyhovujúcou architektúrou, načo by zasa vrážal x tisíc do niečo nového. A to nové zasa len každého láka naserkať čo najviac pažravých komponentov a dusiť to viac a dlhšie. Takže výsledok bude zasa o ničom.
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Re: pitomci
Od: kurvaeget
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 14:22
Netvrdil by som, že nikto, nakoľko aj hry vo veľkej miere vyťažujú procesor. Niekedy netreba veľa investovať, aby sa výkon násobne zdvihol. Neviem z kerej riti máte zafixované, že všetko stojí majland. Nestojí.
To s tým prepočtom výkonu je aplikovateľné prakticky pri akejkoľvek miere záťaže, ide vždy o ten pomer staré vs. nové. Keď je niečo 11x efektívnejšie, zrejme to bude žrať menej aj pri OS, prehliadači, office atď. Novší procesor má k dispozícii novšie algoritmy (inštrukčné sady), ktoré moderný softvér dokáže využiť a ušetriť kopu času pri výpočtoch. Podobne je to aj s bezpečnosťou, novšie čipy obsahujú záplaty na zraniteľnosti starších čipov.
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Re: pitomci
Od: Keno
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 15:24
Takže mne vychádza výsledok podobný mobilu. Čím je v niečom zaujímavejší, tým ho používateľ viac dusí a je to tam kde aj bolo. Dnešné mobily majú okolo 5-6000 mAh batériu a majú problém vydržať jeden jediný posraný deň!
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Re: pitomci
Od: si teoretik
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Pridané:
13.11.2022 22:40
tak by som si dovolil tvrdiť, že dotyčný na i7-950 nemá ten počítač na to, aby renderoval video denne 4 hodiny doma každý deň, maximálne s ním browsuje internet alebo si zahrá nejakú staršiu alebo jednoduchšiu hru. pri týchto činnostiach je jeho spotreba presne rovnaká ako na tvojom novom nadupanom stroji s 560% výkonu (browsovanie 100W a hranie 500W máš aj ty aj on, zrejme s lepším zážitkom :), ale ten jeho štvor hodinový battleground za 43 minút neodohráš, ani to dsl rýchlejšie neprečítaš. ak by dotyčný 4 hodiny denne renderoval video, asi by si v rámci sebeúcty kúpil výkonnejší stroj, ale URČITE NIE R5 3600 :D takže tvoje teoretické porovnanie má výpovednú hodnotu asi ako ekonomická teória o neviditeľnej ruke trhu ;)
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Re: pitomci
Od: TEORETIK!!
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Pridané:
13.11.2022 22:40
no a k tej tvojej ekológii (spotreba energie).. je to ako kúpa nového auta, len v menšom.. tie prekrásne reči o nižšej spotrebe.. to sa naozaj nikto nezamyslí nad tým, že tie komponenty musia byť energeticky extrémne náročne vyrobené, spotrebujú veľa vzácnych a neekologických prvkov, sú niekoľkonásobne počas zhotovovania prevážané krížom krážom cez celú zemeguľu, pričom tú starú mašinu ti je za 50 eur ľúto predať, tak ju necháš v pivnici vyzrieť 10 rokov a potom ju drbneš do koša.. ale aspoň máš dušu na mieste, že v tvojom teoretickom svete každý deň vyrenderuješ videjko za desatinu spotreby elektrickej energie.... a mozog si kde nechal?
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ultraradikalny konsenzualizmus
Od: syntaxterrorXXX,. X
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Pridané:
2.10.2022 10:25
Len tam treba voliť veľmi opatrne, lebo napríklad na dvojjadrovom Celerone niektoré populárne linuxové distribúcie už pri bootovaní upozorňujú na Spectre v2 a to sa ešte ani poriadne nevie, čo to vlastne tá neskrotná beštia bez multithreadingu vlastne mitiguje a nie že ešte priekazne ako sa pred tým brániť.
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Re: ultraradikalny konsenzualizmus
Od: NBU majster
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 12:30
Nepochopil si moj prispevok, pritom ma nazyvas idiotom. Problem je v tom, ze ci kupujes 7600, alebo 7950, tak momentalne mas rovnaku cenu pre kupu maticnej a RAM, kedze lacnejsie varianty zatial neexistuju. Preto sa oplati kupa 7900 a 7950, no nizsie rady ako 7600 a 7700 sa v pomere cena/vykon az tak neoplatia, kedze navysenie cien v podstate neguje prirastok vo vykone.
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ultraradikalny optimalizatorizmus
Od: syntaxterrorXXX,. X
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 13:20
Kvalitná neurónová sieť rozpozná idiota už podľa kadencie otáznikov v príspevku, takže sa jej s chápaním priekazne ani netreba obťažovať.
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: doc. Genyó
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Pridané:
1.10.2022 10:18
pockaj na B650(E) chipset a budes mat cenovo dostupnejsie dosky. AMD ako ani Intel velmi ceny dosiek neovplyvnuju, vyrobcovia dosiek si davaju MSRP pre dosky v podstate podla svojho gusta
dosku za 150e si budes moct kupit onedlho, za 7600X das coskoro 330e, za RAM das 220e za 32GB. to je asi 100e naviac oproti uvedeniu generacie 5000. a doska ti vydrzi aj 4 roky, budes menit akurat cpu a gpu
nie je to taka tragedia, hoci ceny X670(E) dosiek tragicke su, suhlasim
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: trolololo
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 10:14
Ludia, co si menia CPU, to je tak 0.001% populacie. Vyhoda rovnakej patice je skor ta, ze ak ti po 5 rokoch zhori doska, tak si kupis novu a este mozes 5 rokov ficat na tom istom cpu.
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: doc. Genyó
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 11:18
nesuhlasim, resp. vynal by som zo statistiky notebooky a brandovane herne a pracovne stanice
pre kazdeho kto si sam sklada PC je moznost vymenit cpu bez vymeny dosky velkym plusom, vznikne tak moznost vyrazneho narastu vykonu a efektivity pomerne malou zmenou (nemusis menit celu platformu). osobny by som 5 rocny CPU by pri odpalenej doske neriesil, bral by som novu dosku s novym cpu
uvedom si, ze vyhoda vyuzivania rovnakeho socketu ma velky vyznam pre vyrobcov dosiek a hlavne pre vyrobcu CPU. vyvoj noveho socketu nieco stoji, musis k tomu prisposobovat layout a vsetko okolo toho. potom u takehoto vyrobcu napr. nemusis stale priplacat extra za vyvoj noveho socketu, co su prachy, ktore si drbne do ceny produktu
dalsia vec je ekologia a je to vyrazna vec hlavne v dnesnej dobe. nie som eko maniak, ale velmi vela elektroniky je dnes vyhadzovanej/nahradzovanej uplne zbytocne a len preto, lebo ludia chcu a mozu, lebo zijeme v konzumnej spolocnosti (vid mobily, auta, televizory a pod.)
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: Kingston
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 15:50
Preto je niekto chorý, že niekomu stačí 12-ročný i7-950 a niekto furt trebuje nové sprostosti? Pretože nič mu neprinesú, iba odnesú z vačku.
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: doc. Genyó
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 10:52
chorym by som to nenazyval, to vravis ty
rozdiel vykonu medzi 12 rocnym a 4 rocnym PC je badatelny hned, vsetko je responzivnejsie, sviznejsie a tu sa nemusime bavit o hrach ale o facebooku, yotube, excel a podobne. je to sposobene aj vyssimi prepustnostami a velkostou cache procesora a priepustnostou RAM, plus dalsie veci...
rozhodne netvrdim ze mat to najnovsie a najvykonnejsie je najlepsia cesta. su to zbytocne vyhodene prachy. moj povodny prispevok bol len a len o tom, ze mat jednu dosku 4 roky s moznostou vymenit CPU hoci aj kazdy rok je super vec. nie, nemenil by som ho kazdy rok, to su peniaze do luftu ale s novym cpu po 4 rokoch osadenym na tej istej doske (4rocnej) sa vykon vyrazne navysi bez nutnosti upgradu celej platformy co vnimam ako velke pozitivum v hernych a pracovnych staniciach
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: Trolololo
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Pridané:
3.10.2022 23:48
Podla mna to velmi zavisi od user casu. Pokial na tom pc hras hry, tak 5 rocny cpu urobi taku istu sluzbu sko najnovsi. Naviac co sledujem trend tak nove cpu idu cenami celkom hore. Uz ani Amd nie ke lacna alternativa. Ine je samozrejme nejaky rendering alebo strihanie vodea, aj ked tieto veci su uz tiez riesene prevazne cez gpu.
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: Picny chlp
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 6:33
Ja Ti neviem, Karle, ale taky 6-7gen intel vs 12-13gen je dost rozdiel a to aj v hrach...
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retardi sa potrebujú ešte do 92 rokov hrajkať??
Od: Keno
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Pridané:
4.10.2022 15:25
A komu tu ide o hry, preBoha?
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Od: Hrac-sama
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4.10.2022 15:57
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Od: shuhaj
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7.10.2022 9:03
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: trolololo
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5.10.2022 10:42
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: Starý chran
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5.10.2022 15:07
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Od: Kolomanko
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9.10.2022 15:50
O hry tu predsa nikomu nejde, to čo za blbosti tu furt niekto vyťahuje??
A načo je komu DDR5 ak má dosť DDR3, napríklad.
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Re: výkon roky stačí a nič viac naozaj nepotrebuje
Od: slečna hráčka
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9.10.2022 18:38
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Re: Maticna doska
Od: doc. Genyó
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3.10.2022 11:45
nahradzovat spotrebice treba vtedy, ked prestanu fungovat (a je to neopravitelne) alebo ak je generacny posun taky, ze vyrazne vzrastie efektivita riesenia (napr. o 50%). vacsinou nema zmysel nahradzat 2-3 roky stare spotrebice (PC, mobil)
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PGA vs LGA..
Od reg.: Peterkal
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30.9.2022 22:43
krásne zhrnuté ale chýba tam že síce AMD zmenilo päticu AKA socket z AM4 na AM5 a je tam spomenuté aj navýšenie PINOV ale nikde sa tam nespomína že to už nie je PGA ale LGA socket.... a to je kruciálna kardinálne dôležitá informácia....
"Po viacerých rokoch AMD zmenila päticu a procesory sú určené pre novú päticu AM5, ktorá oproti AM4 zvyšuje počet pinov z 1331 na 1718. Nová pätica okrem iného umožňuje výrazne vyššiu spotrebu procesorov, maximálne TDP 170 Wattov oproti 105 Wattom pri AM4. Nové maximum AMD hneď využíva a najvyššie z uvedených modelov majú TDP 170 Wattov."
takže Socket AM5 (LGA 1718) vs AM4 (PGA 1331).
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Re: PGA vs LGA..
Od: :Pjetro de
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30.9.2022 23:36
priekazne krucialna, kardinalne signifikantna, esencialne vitalna, senzibilne pozitivna, pozitivne motivovana, progresne indikovana, dichotomicky expresivna, miniskentne podvedoma, kategoricky deduktivna, axiomaticky postulovana, diademicky prezencna - taka je to informacia
navyse na jednoznacne pozitivna ponatu gnozeologicku intenciu
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Re: PGA vs LGA..
Od: V. Klaus
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1.10.2022 1:19
U nás ešte nemajú záverečnú.
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Od: V. Klaus
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Ide o tzv. labutiu pieseň.
Od: Zoltán Bekeš
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1.10.2022 9:22
Všimnime si, že si musíme uvedomiť čo nastane s príchodom nových stolových ARM procesorov.
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komu tu furt jebe s nejakou labutiou onou??
Od: V. Klaus
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1.10.2022 10:55
Čo by nastalo, to budú zasa len nejaké deti na hranie kupovať.
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............
Od reg.: raketa
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2.10.2022 11:22
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PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od: anonymous2743
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2.10.2022 12:47
Zaujimave ako priekazne nikto nepise o tom, ze tato seria AMD procesorov je prva co ma integrovany Microsoft Pluton, 'bezpecnostny' koprocesor na ktorom bezi uzavrety softver od Microsoftu ktory ani nevieme co robi, a ake ma moznosti pristupu k hardveru.
Dokonca ani AMD v prezentacii ked uvadzato tuto radu na trh, nedalo novinarom cas aby sa pytali otazky, lebo sa viacery chceli opytat prave na toto.
Len cakam kolko potrva kym sa tam najde prvy exploit. Alebo kym to niekto pouzije na nevypnutelne hardverove DRM. Uz viacero spolocnosti ktorym zalezi na bezpecnosti sa vyjadrilo ze z tejto generacie AMD procesory kupovat nebudu.
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divné veci
Od: Miroslav Jakubovič
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2.10.2022 15:00
A pred kým, alebo čím furt chránime CPU, BIOS, RAMku??
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Re: divné veci
Od: amd-man
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3.10.2022 13:39
Pred užívateľmi, v dobrom, samozrejme.
Lebo nie je pre techniku zhubnejšieho tvora ako užívateľa samotného.
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Re: PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od: AMD-man
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3.10.2022 5:58
Lebo nie je nič nového pod slnkom.
ARM Thinkpad to mali už dávno v sebe a fungovalo.
X-Box na niečom podobnom beží už niekoľko rokov.
Jediný, kto môže mať výhrady sú lunexáci, lebo to pičuje do Linuxu. Ale tých je pod 3%, takže de facto, nikoho ich názor nezaujíma.
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Re: PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od reg.: MackoPu1
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3.10.2022 7:14
Sa to da lahko odstavit aj doma, staci cez spravne suradnice vrtnut 1 vrtakom...
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Re: PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od: amd-man
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3.10.2022 13:37
Bud toto, alebo zaskrtnut "FU Pluton" v BIOSe.
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Re: PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od: anonymous2743
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5.10.2022 16:02
Nevieme co za kod PLUTON obsahuje. Nevieme k akemu hardveru ma pristup. Nevieme ci a ake su tam zadne vratka. Nevieme ake ma bezpecnostne zranitelnosti.
A nevieme ani co robi tebou spominane nastavenie v biose. Nespoliehal by som sa na to ze to ten bazmek naozaj vypne...
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Re: PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od: AMD-man
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5.10.2022 22:59
STO.
Prečo by mal každý hneď každému všetko vešať na nos?
Tiež každému nevravíš, že máš náhradný kľúč od domu pod kvetináčom, prvé okno napravo od vchodových dverí. Či?
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Re: PLUTON ani nespomenuty
Od: anonymous2743
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5.10.2022 15:58
Ano, 'fungovalo' aj intel IME, az kym hackeri nenasli trivialny exploit ked stacilo poslat prazdny hash ako autentifikaciu na AMT, co umoznilo na dialku ziskat plnu kontrolu nad 'bezpecnostnym' koprocesorom.
Proti tomuto ta neochrani antivirus, ani operacny system, lebo je to zabudovane priamo v hardveri.
Kazdu chvilu vidime nove zranitelnosti, kazdu chvilu vidiet tragedie ked v nemocniciach ransomware vypne celu siet, a pozaduje vypalne za obnovenie funkcnosti a dat. Spolocnosti prisli o miliardy na zablokovanych pocitacoch a ukradnutych datach.
A v tejto situacii tolerovat dalsi uzavrety software s potencialnymi zadnymi vratkami na privilegovanejsej urovni nez OS, je priekazne vrchol naivity.
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Od: amd-man
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10.10.2022 9:33
V tom prípade nebudeme kupovať AMD a máme vystarané.
AMD-komunita nás označí ako wintel fašistov, intel idiotov, platených trollov, a všetkých možných - fóbov a -istov.
Pjetro si jebne piko-toulen a začne sa rozdrapovať o pičovinách, o ktorých páru nemá.
A my si zakúrime do krbu, nalejeme whiskey, a, s úsmevom na perách, užijeme cirkus z prvej rady.
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